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I just got back from my Firestone dealer, where my friend's son is a tech. Same as the Audi dealer, they say I am their "favourite customer", even though I spend less money than everyone else. It wasn't busy, and both managers were there so we had a chance to chat and check out my Metris.

One said he liked it...except for the tires, lol. I was there for another vehicle. We talked about the rotation issue, and all of us agreed on every point: They advise against rotation, and concur that it is only a solution for abnormal wear. Also that it increases the wear rate.... I remember from a fleet manager, he said he quit rotating and got longer tire life. It shouldn't surprise the more intelligent posters that are left here.

So, we have my opinion; auto manufacturers procedures; anecdotal stories from Tire Rack customers; managers of the largest tire mfg service center; and most of all: common sense... they all tell us what I said in my very first post; that rotating increases wear; is not necessary on a good suspension; or is at least an unnecessary waste of money.

Being stubborn on a issue that you haven't researched yourself is the hallmark of a dumb person.
 

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I agree that if the wear is uniform over the tires, with just feathering due to shear forces on the tread blocks e.g., due to acceleration on the rear tires or in the opposite direction due to breaking on the fronts (I saw some of this on the snow tires I just took off) rotation is counterproductive. However, when I had greater wear on the center of my rear tires (probably due to acceleration and over-inflation for the light loads I was carrying, I swapped them for the front rather than continuing to let them wear out the in the center while there was lots of useful rubber on the outsides where it is needed at the front.

I guess there's arguments for both views.
 

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What MB model are your wheels off of MM? I looked on your profile and past posts to look before asking, and didn't see a mod list.



I use my Metris for towing a large trailer sometimes and am a bit nervous about moving up to a 20 inch wheel with a low profile tire. Looks awesome on your Metris with the triple black.
 

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You render me speechless.
Me three.

Those arguing against tire rotation might be interested in challenging climate change, or perhaps adding several hundred horsepower to their Metris with a JC Whitney water injection system or the miracle fuel vortex spinner. I mean, dude, after all, you do need to base your decisions on your own alternative facts.
 

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Me three.

Those arguing against tire rotation might be interested in challenging climate change, or perhaps adding several hundred horsepower to their Metris with a JC Whitney water injection system or the miracle fuel vortex spinner. I mean, dude, after all, you do need to base your decisions on your own alternative facts.
I've questioned frequent rotation (but not rotation entirely) in this thread and would like to emphasize that I've questioned it. I'm not offering wisdom and sincerely wonder about the topic; I would really like to see data about this subject. Further, I have strong convictions that what is "common sense" or "intuitive" to human beings is often not very intelligent [my Warshawsky JC Whitney vortex salad spinner aside - it's completely intuitive genius!] In every field of engineering that I've studied I've found examples of reality differing from layman understanding. That said, I have to assume that when an industry has a consensus about best practices, there's probably something to it.

I have another question: it's my understanding that side to side wheel rotation is largely no longer recommended. For most vehicles (and tire types) they simply rotate them front to rear over the life of the tire. If this is the case, how much wear can we hope to average out by tire rotation? I also have not received any suggestions for rotating my spare tire into the mix which was apparently a thing years ago as well.
 

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It is very easy to understand the front tires wear more and differently because of the turning and pushing into corners at speed. The rears wear almost like a trailer tire being pulled along with no where near the wear of the front "control" tires. For those that choose to differ from the advice of tire & automobile / truck manufactures, then as they say "to each there own". Me personally, I do not think I am smarter than the majority whom advise rotation and I choose not to be a "follower" of the minority whom think otherwise. I believe most of us 50+ years old have owned vehicles long enough to obviously see with our own eyes that front tires wear differently than rear tires, especially in outer edge wear which is a big topic on this forum.

I must admit, this banter has been entertaining and I can't decipher if some of this input of these authors truly believes what they are posting ………or are they just being a troll?

Regardless I think those with common sense know what is best for longevity in their tire life.
 

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Personally I’m a fan of cross tire rotation. That is to say that the front driver get put on the rear passenger. The value of rotating for turn related uneven wear may be limited, but there is probably something to it, and once you already have the tires all off the bloody vehicle you might as well move them from side to side too
 

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Personally I’m a fan of cross tire rotation. That is to say that the front driver get put on the rear passenger. The value of rotating for turn related uneven wear may be limited, but there is probably something to it, and once you already have the tires all off the bloody vehicle you might as well move them from side to side too
I agree with GML. I have an Astro van and Costco usually wants to rotate the front to the rear, but always keep them on the same side, but my alignment specialist recommended that I do cross rotation and it did help to get more even tire wear & more miles out of the them. Astro vans also seem to eat faster through tires. Still waiting on a custom build passenger Metris.

From the many brands of tires I’ve tried through the years, I get the best results from Michelins.
 

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It seems to me that cross rotating including the spare was always done with cross ply tires and it went out when radial tires came in. No idea why. Having to keep to the same side also meant that the spare could not be included as wear on that side would be 50% better.
The other thing is that many tires today have a directional tread, so by crossing over they would be rotating in the wrong direction.
Otherwise, why not? Are there other reasons ?
 

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I agree with GML. I have an Astro van and Costco usually wants to rotate the front to the rear, but always keep them on the same side, but my alignment specialist recommended that I do cross rotation and it did help to get more even tire wear & more miles out of the them.
So, were/are you able to get Costco to swap them side to side?

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Having to keep to the same side also meant that the spare could not be included as wear on that side would be 50% better.
Isn't this why we would rotate tires on a frequent basis? The change in wear at every rotation is very small.
Simply mark (or keep consistent notes) and rotate the spare side to side but not the rest of the tires? If the spare is truly going to work on your vehicle then it should be able to go on either side of the vehicle... Or do some cars keep two spares?

Lastly,
Mr Green, have you had any trouble getting the dealership to rotate your tires side to side?
 

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Yes, the spare does have to go on either side. The point is that if you have to keep to the same side (as in tires with a directional tread) you can only use the spare as a temporary. Each time I buy a new set of tires for the van, I'll only get 4 and use the original Hankook as a spare to use until I get a repair or proper replacement. If I have 5 matched non-directional tires yes, cross rotating all makes sense.
 

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