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I am working on buying a metris... I am over the road account representative for Motorsports dealers in ND, MN, SD, and IA...

I am curious what kind of longevity the Metris is getting so far....

With proper maintenance, and such what can I realistically expect for a primarily highway driven life???

200k 300k more?
 

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Given its a Benz, how long do you want to pay for repairs? Rust is the main concern. Barring rust they don't generally suffer from structural fatigue (there are many multi million mile examples of that). They will keep needing repairs starting from about 80k miles or so. It generally will make it to the dealer under its own power, though. Everything else can be replaced.

Rust was the killer for me every time- it seems to get them around the 20-year mark, unless you take care of the body.
 

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MN is terrible for rust, lots of chemicals on the roads in winter... So whether it really works or not I have a reputable resource for rust prevention...

I am driving a ford escape now, and have put on 100k in less than 3 years. I don't want to have major drivetrain issues, at 100k or 200k, wear parts I expect.
 

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Given its a Benz, how long do you want to pay for repairs? Rust is the main concern. Barring rust they don't generally suffer from structural fatigue (there are many multi million mile examples of that). They will keep needing repairs starting from about 80k miles or so. It generally will make it to the dealer under its own power, though. Everything else can be replaced.
So there are lots of Metris out there with 80k plus on them or are you referring to other MBvans?

I am very mechanically inclined so once outside warranty I am not afraid to do many repairs myself. also have a few connections with great local repair facilities...
 

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I've owned a Sprinter and live in Minneapolis. The problem in my mind is the lack of dealers who can service the vehicles. Probably OK if you live in NY or LA but there's too many miles between service centers in MN, ND, etc.
I went back to Ford (Transit) because there's value knowing that there's a dealer and/or parts available everywhere.
I'd love to get into a Metris because of the size but won't deal with another over-the-road Mercedes again. Expensive to maintain but more importantly, lack of service options.
 

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I am working on buying a metris... I am over the road account representative for Motorsports dealers in ND, MN, SD, and IA...

I am curious what kind of longevity the Metris is getting so far....

With proper maintenance, and such what can I realistically expect for a primarily highway driven life???

200k 300k more?
I do not think you will have any major issues with Metris. It is a very well build to last van. It would be better to have diesel engine, but current gas engine has room and potential to last pretty long time. I've seeing previous generation of Vito with more then 600K. km. on dashboard. In my resent trip to Europe I was told of one minor issue with Vito/Metris. On some models of the early 2016 passenger vans the rear suspension springs was defective and van after close to full load will remain seat on suspension bumpers. Other then that it is a solid transporter. Good luck.
 

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I've owned a Sprinter and live in Minneapolis. The problem in my mind is the lack of dealers who can service the vehicles. Probably OK if you live in NY or LA but there's too many miles between service centers in MN, ND, etc.
I went back to Ford (Transit) because there's value knowing that there's a dealer and/or parts available everywhere.
I'd love to get into a Metris because of the size but won't deal with another over-the-road Mercedes again. Expensive to maintain but more importantly, lack of service options.
I drive through several towns that have MBvan dealerships so that won't be too much of an issue for me...

I am based in St Cloud, but frequently drive through Fargo, Sioux Falls, Iowa City, DesMoines, Rochester. all of which have MBvan dealerships...

Plus I am not willing to give up fuel economy... Transit is not a 20+ mpg vehicle and it is too big.

I won't buy another front wheel drive anything EVER again.
 

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The Transit is RWD, actually. The tiny little Transit Connect is FWD. Ford makes good products- I had a clapped out Econoline I used as a market truck. Wouldn't want to drive one fast, though.
 

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I drove a Sprinter over the road for 8 years (cover the whole country). What a hassle when you need service. Not going to do that again. Van drove great but everyone needs help sometime and when it happens in a Mercedes, it's definitely not as easy to get that help. Even in town with dealer, parts are as readily available. And the cost! You can get help anywhere with Ford, GM or Mopar. Like it or not, it's a fact. I too live in Minnesota. Mercedes doesn't have their rust prevention figured out as well as Ford or GM. I want a Metris bad but experience has taught me that domestic brand service availability is too important (and cheaper). Just my opinion and experience.
 

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I was thinking the same thing reading through this thread. With the new plant in SC, parts should be pronto. Living in NC should make parts availability and timeframe a non-issue.
 

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It will be fine. They are also building the Boeing 787 in the same town. Charleston sc. BMW seems to be doing fine in sc. Americans built horrible cars because of horrible designs and cheap Assemblies.
 

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I agree, it's usually design and upper-middle management decisions and rigorous checks that determine build quality. With that said, when we do pull the trigger, I'll look at getting an extended warranty.
 

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I have 4 BMW's in my garage, was 5 last year. My 2005 530 has 306,000 and has been flawless (one fuel pump and starter..has oringal water pump...don't understand how) but still looks great. My wife X3 at 200,000 miles has been flawless only major was a AC exchange made by beur? that failed...the shop had never replaced one. My 850i was fantastic I owned for 8 years, not a daily driver. My 2005 R1100s Boxer cup bike, 12 years and 23,000 miles not one issue. My 2013 R1200gs 24,000 miles not one issue. I have many relatives and friends and neighbors that drive bimmers, they don't seem to have a problem. My sisters745 was a problem, but the 740 before was not. My moms X5 its been fantastic.
 

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I have 4 BMW's in my garage, was 5 last year. My 2005 530 has 306,000 and has been flawless (one fuel pump and starter..has oringal water pump...don't understand how) but still looks great. My wife X3 at 200,000 miles has been flawless only major was a AC exchange made by beur? that failed...the shop had never replaced one. My 850i was fantastic I owned for 8 years, not a daily driver. My 2005 R1100s Boxer cup bike, 12 years and 23,000 miles not one issue. My 2013 R1200gs 24,000 miles not one issue. I have many relatives and friends and neighbors that drive bimmers, they don't seem to have a problem. My sisters745 was a problem, but the 740 before was not. My moms X5 its been fantastic.
First of all I want to apologize for my fanboy coming through in that comment. But I have more to say on the subject.

BMW and Mercedes were very different companies up until the the E65 7-series. And up to that point, the only time BMW produced an all around superior car to its contemporary Mercedes was the E39 5-series, which was distinctly superior to the W210 E-class- as safe or safer, similar reliability, superior luxury, and of course, worlds better handling.

Thats not to say that prior to that point, BMW built bad cars. Certainly not- but they were much more distinctly more driver focused, less luxurious, less comfortable, less refined, and certainly less safe. They were vastly superior in road feel, handling, and "fun-to-drive". Take the E36 3-series, for example. That car's competition to the W202 C-class was at best lop-sided. The C-class was roomier, quieter, more refined, more solidly built, and unquestionably more luxurious. It would not be an exaggeration to call the interior of the E36 downscale. On the flip side of the coin, I don't think anyone ever built a superior drivers sedan.

For the generation that encompassed the the W220 and E65, it would be accurate to say both companies were lost- BMW had foregone the driver orientation that made their name, and Mercedes was still disoriented from the sucker punch that was the first and second generation Lexus LS, and the W220 S-class was frankly an embarrassment- even Mercedes themselves admits so. But where Mercedes regained their footing, dismissed Lexus as the flash in the pan their true luxury aspirations were, and hit one out of the park with the W221 S-class (and then nuked the ball park with the W222)... BMW held to the basic course for all their cars that was laid out by the E65.

BMW's current cars are neither sufficiently overall amazing to compete with Mercedes offerings, nor driver-focused enough to define their own segment- as they once did.

My experience through friends and family is that BMWs tend to be less reliable than Mercedes cars, although post-W124 offerings are not nonpareil in that aspect. However, I was talking more about building cars that either redefine the standard for the segment, or offer something sufficiently different to place them in a class unto themselves. BMW has done neither since the E39. I would go so far as to say that since the E39, Mercedes has had more competition in that area from Volkswagen (The Phaeton was the real top of the class until the W221 debuted) and Hyundai-Kia (the Equus, K900 and most recently the G90 bear watching) than from BMW.

And that is my own opinion of course. And I'm glad you have had such good experiences with your Bimmers.
 

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That's cool, no apology needed. Thanks for the write up. No question you know your cars. BMW has soften their cars up so e that's for sure. Even the M cars and that should not happen. I think they just admitted that with the introduction of the M2. We will see. I have a few more years on the 5 before replacement, I think I will stay BMW but nothing is 100%. It would most likely MB if I change brands. My dad drove 300d and 300sd fantastic cars. The only thing was little things, locks and ac control, both vacuum control. But great cars.

Take care.
 
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