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Wrote this the other day, and lost it on my computer while I was waiting to confirm the Torx bit size when I got home.

NOTE: THIS IS FOR A 3 RAIL SETUP EURO RAIL ONLY. WE DID NOT INSTALL A 4TH RAIL, DUE TO THE COMPLEXITY AND HAVING TO DROP THE FUEL TANK TO PROPERLY INSTALL.

Tools needed:
3/8 Ratchet
3/8 Extension
Torx socket (Size: T45)
A good retractable razor blade (OLFA brand are awesome)
Straightedge (I used drywall t-square)
Flat head screw driver (adjusting the rail sliding mechanism)
Chopsticks (I could not find my magnet, so needed to use chopsticks to remove some bolts that fell into the channel of the rails. lol)
Blower to blow out the dirt from the rails as well as the dirt that filled in the torn bolt indentations. You want the torx bit ti set all the way in to the bolt head to not strip anything out.
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We recently purchased 2019 Metris Passenger Van, and the first thing we did was searched these forums for a bunch of great ideas and aftermarket mods.

The first purchase I made was swivel adapters for the front seats, and install went well but I rushed and ordered a taller height from Travois, when I should've ordered the slimmer profiles ones.

Second purchase was to fix the seating arrangement and comfort for our two kids. We came across the Euro Sliding Rails and 2+1 seat at Metrisseats.com. I called Surinder and he took the time to go over all the different options they had explain the advantages and disadvantages for each scenario of seating I was considering.

We ultimately opted on just getting one 2+1 bench seat for now with the extended Euro slider rails. The slider rails were a must since we wanted the flexibility to adjust the row easily and gained an additional 12-13" of slidable range. The stock 2nd row position is too close the the front seats when they're swiveled to the rear, and we wanted the option to have a living room area or table to feed our 2 and 4 yo.

Needless to say we ordered the seats and had them LTL freight straight to our house. Ordered and paid for the seats, and Surinder had them on their way. It took 11 days to arrive to Florida from California. It was palletized and crated very well.
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Upon delivery, we cleaned out the van and had already dropped off our stock benches at our storage unit prior to the delivery. The rails were labeled front and back with masking tape and also had yellow masking tape notations of where to press down on the sliders to be able to position them.

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Stock rails are 72" and the Euros are 85" in length allowing for greater range to slide the seats. 6 torx bolts per rail need to be removed and rails pull right out. Instead of measuring I slid the euro rail into the stock slots in the flooring to mark the length at which I needed to cut. ad 1/8 of inch to mark to give you a slight bit of play to make sure you can line up the bolt holes.


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cutting out flooring to fit extended rails. This was my first cut with a cheap razor blade.
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Found my OLFA retractable blade with blade lock and made a world of difference. When cutting I scored first which is 3 layers total. First layer is the rubber black material, then a transparent hard plastic, and then the insulation material. I ended up have to trim out a little bit more cause the bold holes didn't line up (the 1/8" extra I told you to add to your marking).
17809

New rail fit perfectly. Used factory bolts to secure in place. (Note: you need to move sliders around to access all the bolt holes). To move slider mechanism, use a flat head screw drive press down on the disengaging tab (Marked by Surinder with the yellow masking tape) and at the same time push forward or back ward to reposition.

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Surinder suggested the easiest way to install was from the side door and to line up the sliders with a straight edge before installing the bench seat. This is where the dry wall t-square came in handy, to line up and make sure they were perfectly perpendicular to the rails.

He also suggested laying some scrap plywood on the flooring to set the bench in the van prior to lining up to prevent indentions in the rubber flooring, but I had another set up hand to help me.


Seats in, and the headrests were tucked underneath the seat during transportation.
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Tons of storage if needed.
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Independently reclinable seat backs that also can fold forward, and the plus one jumper seat can be removed or flipped up for easy access to 3rd row. (Pictured also with the front seat swivels)

Very happy with our purchase so far. Hope this is useful for future members.
 

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Very good detailed write up Ron !!! I am sure other members now have a lot of information regarding the Euro OEM reclining and sliding seat upgrade option. Thank you.
 

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Big thanks for this, super helpful, exactly the setup I was thinking about if we go ahead and pull the trigger on the Metris purchase.

Two questions; did you remove all the carpeting, or did yours come without? Was that a difficult job?

Second, how much room behind the seats if they’re all the way in the forward position? Assuming not enough to sleep...

Thanks!
Sam

Wrote this the other day, and lost it on my computer while I was waiting to confirm the Torx bit size when I got home.

NOTE: THIS IS FOR A 3 RAIL SETUP EURO RAIL ONLY. WE DID NOT INSTALL A 4TH RAIL, DUE TO THE COMPLEXITY AND HAVING TO DROP THE FUEL TANK TO PROPERLY INSTALL.

Tools needed:
3/8 Ratchet
3/8 Extension
Torx socket (Size: T45)
A good retractable razor blade (OLFA brand are awesome)
Straightedge (I used drywall t-square)
Flat head screw driver (adjusting the rail sliding mechanism)
Chopsticks (I could not find my magnet, so needed to use chopsticks to remove some bolts that fell into the channel of the rails. lol)
Blower to blow out the dirt from the rails as well as the dirt that filled in the torn bolt indentations. You want the torx bit ti set all the way in to the bolt head to not strip anything out.
Shop Vac for Cleanup

We recently purchased 2019 Metris Passenger Van, and the first thing we did was searched these forums for a bunch of great ideas and aftermarket mods.

The first purchase I made was swivel adapters for the front seats, and install went well but I rushed and ordered a taller height from Travois, when I should've ordered the slimmer profiles ones.

Second purchase was to fix the seating arrangement and comfort for our two kids. We came across the Euro Sliding Rails and 2+1 seat at Metrisseats.com. I called Surinder and he took the time to go over all the different options they had explain the advantages and disadvantages for each scenario of seating I was considering.

We ultimately opted on just getting one 2+1 bench seat for now with the extended Euro slider rails. The slider rails were a must since we wanted the flexibility to adjust the row easily and gained an additional 12-13" of slidable range. The stock 2nd row position is too close the the front seats when they're swiveled to the rear, and we wanted the option to have a living room area or table to feed our 2 and 4 yo.

Needless to say we ordered the seats and had them LTL freight straight to our house. Ordered and paid for the seats, and Surinder had them on their way. It took 11 days to arrive to Florida from California. It was palletized and crated very well. View attachment 17804

Upon delivery, we cleaned out the van and had already dropped off our stock benches at our storage unit prior to the delivery. The rails were labeled front and back with masking tape and also had yellow masking tape notations of where to press down on the sliders to be able to position them.

View attachment 17805
Stock rails are 72" and the Euros are 85" in length allowing for greater range to slide the seats. 6 torx bolts per rail need to be removed and rails pull right out. Instead of measuring I slid the euro rail into the stock slots in the flooring to mark the length at which I needed to cut. ad 1/8 of inch to mark to give you a slight bit of play to make sure you can line up the bolt holes.


View attachment 17807
cutting out flooring to fit extended rails. This was my first cut with a cheap razor blade.
View attachment 17808
Found my OLFA retractable blade with blade lock and made a world of difference. When cutting I scored first which is 3 layers total. First layer is the rubber black material, then a transparent hard plastic, and then the insulation material. I ended up have to trim out a little bit more cause the bold holes didn't line up (the 1/8" extra I told you to add to your marking).
View attachment 17809
New rail fit perfectly. Used factory bolts to secure in place. (Note: you need to move sliders around to access all the bolt holes). To move slider mechanism, use a flat head screw drive press down on the disengaging tab (Marked by Surinder with the yellow masking tape) and at the same time push forward or back ward to reposition.

View attachment 17810
Surinder suggested the easiest way to install was from the side door and to line up the sliders with a straight edge before installing the bench seat. This is where the dry wall t-square came in handy, to line up and make sure they were perfectly perpendicular to the rails.

He also suggested laying some scrap plywood on the flooring to set the bench in the van prior to lining up to prevent indentions in the rubber flooring, but I had another set up hand to help me.


Seats in, and the headrests were tucked underneath the seat during transportation. View attachment 17812 View attachment 17813
Tons of storage if needed. View attachment 17814 Independently reclinable seat backs that also can fold forward, and the plus one jumper seat can be removed or flipped up for easy access to 3rd row. (Pictured also with the front seat swivels)

Very happy with our purchase so far. Hope this is useful for future members.
Wrote this the other day, and lost it on my computer while I was waiting to confirm the Torx bit size when I got home.

NOTE: THIS IS FOR A 3 RAIL SETUP EURO RAIL ONLY. WE DID NOT INSTALL A 4TH RAIL, DUE TO THE COMPLEXITY AND HAVING TO DROP THE FUEL TANK TO PROPERLY INSTALL.

Tools needed:
3/8 Ratchet
3/8 Extension
Torx socket (Size: T45)
A good retractable razor blade (OLFA brand are awesome)
Straightedge (I used drywall t-square)
Flat head screw driver (adjusting the rail sliding mechanism)
Chopsticks (I could not find my magnet, so needed to use chopsticks to remove some bolts that fell into the channel of the rails. lol)
Blower to blow out the dirt from the rails as well as the dirt that filled in the torn bolt indentations. You want the torx bit ti set all the way in to the bolt head to not strip anything out.
Shop Vac for Cleanup

We recently purchased 2019 Metris Passenger Van, and the first thing we did was searched these forums for a bunch of great ideas and aftermarket mods.

The first purchase I made was swivel adapters for the front seats, and install went well but I rushed and ordered a taller height from Travois, when I should've ordered the slimmer profiles ones.

Second purchase was to fix the seating arrangement and comfort for our two kids. We came across the Euro Sliding Rails and 2+1 seat at Metrisseats.com. I called Surinder and he took the time to go over all the different options they had explain the advantages and disadvantages for each scenario of seating I was considering.

We ultimately opted on just getting one 2+1 bench seat for now with the extended Euro slider rails. The slider rails were a must since we wanted the flexibility to adjust the row easily and gained an additional 12-13" of slidable range. The stock 2nd row position is too close the the front seats when they're swiveled to the rear, and we wanted the option to have a living room area or table to feed our 2 and 4 yo.

Needless to say we ordered the seats and had them LTL freight straight to our house. Ordered and paid for the seats, and Surinder had them on their way. It took 11 days to arrive to Florida from California. It was palletized and crated very well. View attachment 17804

Upon delivery, we cleaned out the van and had already dropped off our stock benches at our storage unit prior to the delivery. The rails were labeled front and back with masking tape and also had yellow masking tape notations of where to press down on the sliders to be able to position them.

View attachment 17805
Stock rails are 72" and the Euros are 85" in length allowing for greater range to slide the seats. 6 torx bolts per rail need to be removed and rails pull right out. Instead of measuring I slid the euro rail into the stock slots in the flooring to mark the length at which I needed to cut. ad 1/8 of inch to mark to give you a slight bit of play to make sure you can line up the bolt holes.


View attachment 17807
cutting out flooring to fit extended rails. This was my first cut with a cheap razor blade.
View attachment 17808
Found my OLFA retractable blade with blade lock and made a world of difference. When cutting I scored first which is 3 layers total. First layer is the rubber black material, then a transparent hard plastic, and then the insulation material. I ended up have to trim out a little bit more cause the bold holes didn't line up (the 1/8" extra I told you to add to your marking).
View attachment 17809
New rail fit perfectly. Used factory bolts to secure in place. (Note: you need to move sliders around to access all the bolt holes). To move slider mechanism, use a flat head screw drive press down on the disengaging tab (Marked by Surinder with the yellow masking tape) and at the same time push forward or back ward to reposition.

View attachment 17810
Surinder suggested the easiest way to install was from the side door and to line up the sliders with a straight edge before installing the bench seat. This is where the dry wall t-square came in handy, to line up and make sure they were perfectly perpendicular to the rails.

He also suggested laying some scrap plywood on the flooring to set the bench in the van prior to lining up to prevent indentions in the rubber flooring, but I had another set up hand to help me.


Seats in, and the headrests were tucked underneath the seat during transportation. View attachment 17812 View attachment 17813
Tons of storage if needed. View attachment 17814 Independently reclinable seat backs that also can fold forward, and the plus one jumper seat can be removed or flipped up for easy access to 3rd row. (Pictured also with the front seat swivels)

Very happy with our purchase so far. Hope this is useful for future members.
 

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I don’t know the precise measurements as I don’t have the system, but If you were to slide them both all the way forward you would have equal or smaller space than I have with my van, which has one three seat bench in the forward mounting location and no third row seat. You could not sleep longitudinally. You might be able to sleep diagonally if you sleep in the fetal position. You could not sleep two people unless they were dwarfs.

The adjustment of the forward rearward movement of the seats occurs in what I think are 1.5 or 2 centimeter increments.

You might be able to fit a set up a sleeper seat (Mercedes sells a three position bench for the Vito that is configured to fold into a two person berth with the help of a cushion that mounts behind it in the back of the van), while have another European folding row installed in its folded and tumbled forward position. I am not positive on that, but I don’t think anyone here as yet has a van configured to give you a definite answer.
 

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With my seats all the way forward and the seat backs folded, I measure 6 feet 3/4 inches. However, that is the smallest distance from the closed hatch to the most protruding part of the seat. There’s more room closer to the floor, 3-5 inches more. that gives plenty enough room for two average sized persons to sleep in the back.
 

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@Royeh32 looks great. Under the rubber trim on those rails do you know if they are standard l track openings? Meaning, I think the black rubber running the length of the track can be removed and under that there are l track holes running the length. I just don't know if they accept standard l track anchors.
 

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Wrote this the other day, and lost it on my computer while I was waiting to confirm the Torx bit size when I got home.

NOTE: THIS IS FOR A 3 RAIL SETUP EURO RAIL ONLY. WE DID NOT INSTALL A 4TH RAIL, DUE TO THE COMPLEXITY AND HAVING TO DROP THE FUEL TANK TO PROPERLY INSTALL.

Tools needed:
3/8 Ratchet
3/8 Extension
Torx socket (Size: T45)
A good retractable razor blade (OLFA brand are awesome)
Straightedge (I used drywall t-square)
Flat head screw driver (adjusting the rail sliding mechanism)
Chopsticks (I could not find my magnet, so needed to use chopsticks to remove some bolts that fell into the channel of the rails. lol)
Blower to blow out the dirt from the rails as well as the dirt that filled in the torn bolt indentations. You want the torx bit ti set all the way in to the bolt head to not strip anything out.
Shop Vac for Cleanup

We recently purchased 2019 Metris Passenger Van, and the first thing we did was searched these forums for a bunch of great ideas and aftermarket mods.

The first purchase I made was swivel adapters for the front seats, and install went well but I rushed and ordered a taller height from Travois, when I should've ordered the slimmer profiles ones.

Second purchase was to fix the seating arrangement and comfort for our two kids. We came across the Euro Sliding Rails and 2+1 seat at Metrisseats.com. I called Surinder and he took the time to go over all the different options they had explain the advantages and disadvantages for each scenario of seating I was considering.

We ultimately opted on just getting one 2+1 bench seat for now with the extended Euro slider rails. The slider rails were a must since we wanted the flexibility to adjust the row easily and gained an additional 12-13" of slidable range. The stock 2nd row position is too close the the front seats when they're swiveled to the rear, and we wanted the option to have a living room area or table to feed our 2 and 4 yo.

Needless to say we ordered the seats and had them LTL freight straight to our house. Ordered and paid for the seats, and Surinder had them on their way. It took 11 days to arrive to Florida from California. It was palletized and crated very well. View attachment 17804

Upon delivery, we cleaned out the van and had already dropped off our stock benches at our storage unit prior to the delivery. The rails were labeled front and back with masking tape and also had yellow masking tape notations of where to press down on the sliders to be able to position them.

View attachment 17805
Stock rails are 72" and the Euros are 85" in length allowing for greater range to slide the seats. 6 torx bolts per rail need to be removed and rails pull right out. Instead of measuring I slid the euro rail into the stock slots in the flooring to mark the length at which I needed to cut. ad 1/8 of inch to mark to give you a slight bit of play to make sure you can line up the bolt holes.


View attachment 17807
cutting out flooring to fit extended rails. This was my first cut with a cheap razor blade.
View attachment 17808
Found my OLFA retractable blade with blade lock and made a world of difference. When cutting I scored first which is 3 layers total. First layer is the rubber black material, then a transparent hard plastic, and then the insulation material. I ended up have to trim out a little bit more cause the bold holes didn't line up (the 1/8" extra I told you to add to your marking).
View attachment 17809
New rail fit perfectly. Used factory bolts to secure in place. (Note: you need to move sliders around to access all the bolt holes). To move slider mechanism, use a flat head screw drive press down on the disengaging tab (Marked by Surinder with the yellow masking tape) and at the same time push forward or back ward to reposition.

View attachment 17810
Surinder suggested the easiest way to install was from the side door and to line up the sliders with a straight edge before installing the bench seat. This is where the dry wall t-square came in handy, to line up and make sure they were perfectly perpendicular to the rails.

He also suggested laying some scrap plywood on the flooring to set the bench in the van prior to lining up to prevent indentions in the rubber flooring, but I had another set up hand to help me.


Seats in, and the headrests were tucked underneath the seat during transportation. View attachment 17812 View attachment 17813
Tons of storage if needed. View attachment 17814 Independently reclinable seat backs that also can fold forward, and the plus one jumper seat can be removed or flipped up for easy access to 3rd row. (Pictured also with the front seat swivels)

Very happy with our purchase so far. Hope this is useful for future members.
i would like to do the some i am located europe Greece
where did you order them from?
you did exelent work !!!!!!!
 

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I’ve been researching this upgrade after talking to Metrisseats.com…great (potential) customer service btw.

Had a thought ..Could one source a set of US rails (only need 1 or 2) and cut & refit in the middle section? And extend back the seat another 13”.

I’d be willing to give up the ability to slide fore/aft as the rails are $300 each.

Rail cost is expensive compared to the folding 2+1 Euro bench..I may go that route.
 

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I’ve been researching this upgrade after talking to Metrisseats.com…great (potential) customer service btw.

Had a thought ..Could one source a set of US rails (only need 1 or 2) and cut & refit in the middle section? And extend back the seat another 13”.

I’d be willing to give up the ability to slide fore/aft as the rails are $300 each.

Rail cost is expensive compared to the folding 2+1 Euro bench..I may go that route.
What is your objective? I'm not following.
 

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Extend my seat as far back as possible. Using a modified set of the US rails.
So the rear third row seat farther back?

The rails themselves aren't really doing anything. Internal to the rails you have steel brackets that the seats mount into. I call them shuttles since they slide free in the rails. The bolts go through the shuttles. If you want to move the fixed position farther back you might want to pull out a rail and measure between the shuttle location bolts. Then take that and measure back from the farthest rear shuttle mount hole to see where you would end up. Probably not a hole there, but you could make one. If that's the case you really maybe don't need another rail. You could cut yours and slide it back. Fill in the gap. Probably a couple of other ways to do it.




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Not exactly. My 2016 Pass came with just a 2p bench (not 2+1). Which is great for my needs. But I would like to extend the bench as far back as possible. So I could fit a Thermarest cot midship, and still have an aisle on the passenger side.
 

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Not exactly. My 2016 Pass came with just a 2p bench (not 2+1). Which is great for my needs. But I would like to extend the bench as far back as possible. So I could fit a Thermarest cot midship, and still have an aisle on the passenger side.
So in a perfect world that 2 seater is almost touching the rear door(s)?
 
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